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Hearing postponed for evangelists accused of preaching without permit


Friday, January 6th, 2012
Issue 01, Volume 16.


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MURRIETA - With their attorney filing a motion challenging the allegations against them, arraignment was postponed today for two former members of a Hemet church arrested for reading Biblical passages outside a government office, in a case that resulted in a federal lawsuit against the patrolman who arrested the pair.

Brett Anthony Coronado, 42, and Mark Allen Mackey, 59, are charged with conducting a demonstration on state grounds without a permit. They were arrested Feb. 2 outside the Department of Motor Vehicles office in Hemet, at 1200 S. State St., and are free on their own recognizance.

The men's attorney, Nicolaie Cocis, filed a motion in the case seeking dismissal of the misdemeanor charge based on the wording of the criminal complaint. In response, Riverside County Superior Court Judge John Davis postponed the defendants' arraignment to March 2, when he will also hear arguments on their objection to the complaint.

According to court documents, shortly after 8 on the morning of their arrests, Coronado, a former assistant pastor at Calvary Chapel, and Mackey, who worked in the church's evangelical ministries, stood about 50 feet away from the DMV office, in the parking lot, and read passages from the New Testament.

In a YouTube video, Coronado said the purpose was to spread the gospel to the people lined up outside, waiting for the DMV to open.

As Mackey was reading, a DMV security guard approached and ordered him "to go some place else." Mackey refused and continued reading, with Coronado at his side, the video shows.

Twenty minutes later, California Highway Patrol Officer Darren Meyer arrived at the location, and after briefly conferring with the security guard, confronted Mackey, snatched his Bible, handed it to Coronado and arrested Mackey on suspicion of trespassing, according to the video and court documents.

"What have I done wrong?" Mackey asks in the video.

"You've been asked to leave, and you didn't," Meyer replies. "You can preach on your own property. You can preach on a street corner. But you're not allowed to preach here because this is a captive audience."

When Coronado asks Meyer to cite the specific statute that Mackey has violated, the CHP officer replies, "You want to go, too?"

"I'm giving you the option: You want to leave or you want to be arrested?" the lawman asks.

A few minutes later, another CHP officer arrived and arrested Coronado on suspicion of impeding a business. Another member of the ministry, Edmond Flores, also was taken into custody, but was not charged.

Coronado, Mackey and Flores filed a civil liberties lawsuit less than two months later, alleging Meyer, and by extension the CHP, had violated their First, Fourth and 14th amendment rights, as well as violated the "liberty" clause of the California Constitution.

"Defendant, the CHP and the DMV all have engaged in the selective enforcement of a vague, overbroad and discretionary process of determining what expression will be allowed, and their enforcement has been inconsistent and viewpoint discriminatory," according to the suit, which is being handled on behalf of the plaintiffs by Murrieta-based Advocates for Faith and Freedom.

"In this instance, defendant prohibited plaintiffs' expressive activity because they were reading from the Bible and expressing religious viewpoints," the suit alleges. "Defendant's actions ... were harmful to plaintiffs because it violated their right to free speech ... under the United States Constitution."

The suit alleges the men were victims of false imprisonment and asks the court to declare religious speech outside the DMV office lawful, and to prohibit Meyer and any other state law enforcement official from arresting people for trespassing without justification.

Meyer, now the public information officer for the CHP's San Gorgonio office in Beaumont, sought an immediate dismissal of the lawsuit based on federal judicial findings that law enforcement Advertisement
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officers acting within their official capacity cannot be sued for carrying out their duty.

In September, Los Angeles-based U.S. District Judge Dolly M. Gee suspended further hearings on the suit until the criminal case against Coronado and Mackey is resolved.


Three arrested outside Hemet DMV for reading Bible passages

MURRIETA - Two former members of a Hemet church arrested for reading Biblical passages outside a Department of Motor Vehicles office are set to be arraigned Friday on a misdemeanor charge, in a case that resulted in a federal lawsuit against the patrolman who arrested them.

Brett Anthony Coronado, 42, and Mark Allen Mackey, 59, are charged with conducting a demonstration on state grounds without a permit. They were arrested Feb. 2 outside the Hemet DMV office at 1200 S. State St. and are free on their own recognizance.

According to court documents, shortly after 8 on the morning of their arrests, Coronado, a former assistant pastor at Calvary Chapel, and Mackey, who worked in the church's evangelical ministries, stood about 50 feet away from the DMV office, in the parking lot, and read passages from the New Testament.

In a YouTube video, Coronado said the purpose was to spread the gospel.

As Mackey was reading, a DMV security guard approached and ordered him "to go some place else." Mackey refused and continued reading, with Coronado at his side, the video shows.

Twenty minutes later, California Highway Patrol Officer Darren Meyer arrived at the location, and after briefly conferring with the security guard, confronted Mackey, snatched his Bible, handed it to Coronado and arrested Mackey on suspicion of trespassing, according to the video and court documents.

"What have I done wrong?" Mackey asks in the video.

"You've been asked to leave, and you didn't," Meyer replies. "You can preach on your own property. You can preach on a street corner. But you're not allowed to preach here because this is a captive audience."

When Coronado asks Meyer to cite the specific statute that Mackey has violated, the CHP officer replies, "You want to go, too?"

"I'm giving you the option: You want to leave or you want to be arrested?" the lawman asks.

A few minutes later, another CHP officer arrived and arrested Coronado on suspicion of impeding a business. Another member of the ministry, Edmond Flores, also was taken into custody, but was not charged.

Coronado, Mackey and Flores filed a civil liberties lawsuit less than two months later, alleging Meyer, and by extension the CHP, had violated their First, Fourth and 14th amendment rights, as well as violated the "liberty" clause of the California Constitution.

"Defendant, the CHP and the DMV all have engaged in the selective enforcement of a vague, overbroad and discretionary process of determining what expression will be allowed, and their enforcement has been inconsistent and viewpoint discriminatory," according to the suit, which is being handled on behalf of the plaintiffs by Murrieta-based Advocates for Faith and Freedom.

"In this instance, defendant prohibited plaintiffs' expressive activity because they were reading from the Bible and expressing religious viewpoints," the suit alleges. "Defendant's actions ... were harmful to plaintiffs because it violated their right to free speech under the First Amendment to the United States Constitution."

The suit alleges the men were victims of false imprisonment and asks the court to declare religious speech outside the DMV office lawful, and to prohibit Meyer and any other state law enforcement official from arresting people for trespassing without justification.

Meyer, now the public information officer for the CHP's San Gorgonio office in Beaumont, sought an immediate dismissal of the lawsuit based on federal judicial findings that law enforcement officers acting within their official capacity cannot be sued for carrying out their duty.

In September, Los Angeles-based U.S. District Judge Dolly M. Gee suspended further hearings on the suit until the criminal case against Coronado and Mackey is resolved.


 

58 comments

Comment Profile ImageDe Luz Neighbor
Comment #1 | Friday, Jan 6, 2012 at 9:05 am
Good riddance! Can you imagine being trapped in line and having to listen to that belligerent barking? I think there's some mental health issues that may need to be addressed before these guys are turned back out into the public.
Comment Profile ImageFallbrook Res
Comment #2 | Friday, Jan 6, 2012 at 9:06 am
About a year ago I was at the Temecula DMV standing in line outside about 40 minutes before opening. This same group of people stood outside and forced their religious beliefs to everyone standing in line. Many people in line voiced their opinions that they did not want to hear what they had to say. The group continued reading from the bible even though people had asked them to stop. The major problem I have with this is that the DMV customers are in a situation where they cannot just easily leave because they are bothered. Many of these customers have to get DMV transactions done and have taken time off of work to be there. The church group that is doing this knows their audience is kind of forced to stand there in line and hear what they have to say. I feel this is HARASSMENT!! I am typically a supporter of freedom of religion, but I feel the church group that is conducting this is not respectful. I am glad they got arrested!
Comment Profile ImageRay (the real one)
Comment #3 | Friday, Jan 6, 2012 at 9:11 am
Ya know, I am "not" a religious man, far from being one but this kind of activity "reading the bible" anywhere does not bother me, crosses, Christmas, Easter, I don't rain on anyone's parade but this is "complete nonsense". What's next? SWAT TEAMS invading state building arresting all the people who say "god bless you" when someone sneezes? As a society, let's flush and start over.
Comment Profile Imageabsolutely
Comment #4 | Friday, Jan 6, 2012 at 9:28 am
And this differs from the outrageous WALLSTREET demos how??? If some of us werent "CAPTIVE" when trying to do business in San Diego a few weeks ago I dont know what would be considered CAPTIVE..seems as tho if its anything religious then its against the law...such a double standard,no??
Comment Profile ImageTheophile
Comment #5 | Friday, Jan 6, 2012 at 9:37 am
"Meyer, now the public information officer for the CHP's San Gorgonio office in Beaumont, sought an immediate dismissal of the lawsuit based on federal judicial findings that law enforcement officers acting within their official capacity cannot be sued for carrying out their duty."
Mr. Meyer, is circumventing the constitution, and the bill of rights within the "official capacity" of the Ca highway patrol?
Would this story of been better served, if coupled with the contrast of "occupy" stories? let's see how that would sound:
"Occupy groups camp out for weeks on government owned public property, but Bible readers quickly arrested within minutes... It turns out reading from the Bible on "government property" is the only right not conferred by the 1st amendment according to CHP "Public Information Officer"....
Mr. Meyers, if this was being reported by more than a few local papers, would You still have "duties" to perform employed by the people?
Comment Profile ImagePink
Comment #6 | Friday, Jan 6, 2012 at 9:39 am
I am a devout Christian who attends church fairly regularly and I pray and read my Bible daily. I believe with all my heart and soul that God exists and that Jesus Christ is Lord. That being said I would not go into a public building and start trying to force these beliefs on others. If you truly seek God you will find Him, faith cannot be forced on anyone. From reading this article it appears that they were not arrested for reading the Bible, they were arrested because they refused to leave when asked and for holding a demonstration without a permit. If I had been there I would have told them that they weren't behaving like true Christians, they weren't turning people on to God they were turning them off.
Comment Profile ImageFallbrook Resident since 86
Comment #7 | Friday, Jan 6, 2012 at 9:48 am
Finally, the right thing happens..............

These are the same type of religious thugs that berate our service dead as they are being brought to their graves.

Their religous freedoms stop at my willingness to listen or recieve it.

Hats off to the law enforcement officers involved.
Comment Profile ImageUSA2012
Comment #8 | Friday, Jan 6, 2012 at 9:50 am
This is a bunch of BS! This is whats wrong with America today. I mean it really is. I hope the ACLU stands up on this one. Freedom, anyone? lol Unreal.
Comment Profile ImageSad state of affairs
Comment #9 | Friday, Jan 6, 2012 at 10:20 am
I watched the video and must admit that I am shocked that this could be happening in America. On one hand we have the OWS crowd being given all kinds of leeway in their "protests" without regard to blatant violations of laws. Then these guys are standing there on public property without hindering anybody and are arrested. Now the CHP are so impressed with Meyer's interpretation of the law that they make him their public information officer. Unbelievable! Now I understand why a sheriff deputy buddy of mine has no respect for the CHP. I guess if they were reading from the Koran instead of the Bible they probably would have been welcomed and if they were even asked to move a few feet over the ACLU would be representing them in court.
Comment Profile ImageChris
Comment #10 | Friday, Jan 6, 2012 at 10:28 am
Read your bible, or whatever book you have, to yourself! I do not care what you are reading! Sermonize in the chuch, and leave folks alone when all they want to do is live their lives. If they seek your counsel, they will contact you.

And no, I am not against any religion. But I AM against ANYTHING being shoved down my throat in public. Leave me be. If I need God, I will come to you. You do not need to seek me out. I know where you are. All I need to do is follow the most expensive Mercedes in town, and your pastor will lead me to your chuch. Keep tithing 10%, they just LOVE IT!
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Comment Profile ImageChris
Comment #11 | Friday, Jan 6, 2012 at 10:34 am
Thank you, Fallbrook Resident since 86. Well said.
"Good job" to the officers involved.
Comment Profile ImageHey Ray
Comment #12 | Friday, Jan 6, 2012 at 10:35 am
I think the officers did the right thing. It's already a pain the the butt to wait at DMV, then imagine having to listen to someone read loudly from any book. People have the right to enjoy their misery in peace.
Comment Profile Image@pink
Comment #13 | Friday, Jan 6, 2012 at 10:36 am
so i guess you would tell the two witnesses at the wailing wall " they weren't behaving like true Christians, they weren't turning people on to God they were turning them off." you pink are the reason, i do not go to church, the pews are full of people of your kind, i would like to know, what jesus, you are praying to?
Comment Profile ImageRay (the real one)
Comment #14 | Friday, Jan 6, 2012 at 11:15 am
HEY RAY: Just as bad as someone talking on their cellular phone, spanish speaker babbling about or little kids running around the DMV, just another inconvenience "we" have to deal with at the DMV, life is just one big inconvience but as far as someone reading from the bible, lighten up huh!
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Comment Profile ImageRay (the real one)
Comment #15 | Friday, Jan 6, 2012 at 11:26 am
Try walking down 47th Street and Imperial Avenue sometime, reminds me of cousin Esther on Sanford & Son, "praise the lord, halleileya" (pardon my spelling) you folks at the DMV got lucky, try hundreds of folks doing that every day but does it bother me being non-religious, nope.
Comment Profile ImageImposition and disobedience
Comment #16 | Friday, Jan 6, 2012 at 11:35 am
No matter what they were preaching they were asked by a peace officer to stop and chose to take it to the next level. Hopefully Christians will learn that good content (Bible) sure can turn to vomit when it is shoved down your throat. Just sayin'.
Comment Profile ImageChris
Comment #17 | Friday, Jan 6, 2012 at 11:37 am
Go wail at the wall. Maybe it wants to hear you. I don't.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Forcing your opinion on others is just plain wrong. What are you, religious Nazi's?
Comment Profile ImagePink
Comment #18 | Friday, Jan 6, 2012 at 11:40 am
To @pink: Frankly I don't have any idea what you are trying to say because on the one hand you are defending the people who were arrested but on the other you say you do not go to church?? If you do not go to church because of "people like me" (whatever that means) then you are being very foolish indeed. People shouldn't go to church just because of the people who attend, they should go to seek the Lord and to fellowship with others. There is a vast difference between the gentlemen who were arrested at the DMV and the witnesses at the wailing Wall, not sure what you are trying to say about that either.... To answer your question, the Jesus I worship is the only Jesus. The one who came to teach forgiveness and mercy, the one who loved us all enough to give His life for out salvation. I believe that the men who were arrested believe they were doing the right thing but I also believe that they are misguided. The next time I go to the DMV I will take my Bible to sit and read silently while I wait my turn and perhaps someone will ask me about it, then I can tell them calmly and quietly about Jesus love for them. I have done this on a plane and in a restaurant before, you would be amazed at the number of people who thirst for knowledge about His amazing grace.
Comment Profile ImageBess Bidwell
Comment #19 | Friday, Jan 6, 2012 at 11:43 am
They could have done what they were told to do and left but befor at least handed out tracts!!!I love Christ also but would not have handed it that way!
Comment Profile ImageChris
Comment #20 | Friday, Jan 6, 2012 at 11:44 am
Title of article states arrested WHILE reading Bible passages. First line of story states FOR reading Bible passages.

Make up your mind. Which is it?

They could have been reading the Sears catalog loudly in public, to a captive audience, and been arrested on the same charges.

You religious people make me laugh. Don't call me, I'll call you. Okay?
Comment Profile ImageBarry
Comment #21 | Friday, Jan 6, 2012 at 11:45 am
How would these proselytizers react if a group of atheists, or Wiccans, or Muslims, or Hindus started standing in their church parking lot and preached their particular beliefs (or non-beliefs)?

There's a time and a place for everything, and preaching your particular brand of religion to a captive audience on state property seems like a cheap publicity stunt.

Shame on you.
Comment Profile Image@ chris
Comment #22 | Friday, Jan 6, 2012 at 11:49 am
nope i could care less, if they were reading the koran or meditating on buddha, you guys act like they were groping people in line. i mean come on.
Comment Profile Imageeric
Comment #23 | Friday, Jan 6, 2012 at 11:57 am
He was only reading the bible! What is wrong with that?!?! What has happened to our great country? He didn't point at anyone, he didn't single anyone out. What was wrong with what he did. I'll tell you NOTHING. People no longer want to hear the good news. They would rather listen to all the bad news. What he was reading was good news.
I've been in lines where people are talking non-sense and no-one said anything. But this man was simply reading the Bible and he gets arrested for it? WAKE UP. Our rights are being taken from us and we are too stupid to see it. These are just the signs of the times. JESUS IS COMING.
Comment Profile ImageMfossil1018
Comment #24 | Friday, Jan 6, 2012 at 12:04 pm
I don't get it! We have a Country and State full of illegals that can do no wrong and do not get arrested for being here illegally. We have the Occupy movement that camps out on State and Federal Properties with no police involvement. But when one wants to speak about the Truth of the Lord he is arrested! What a sad decay of our State and Nation.
Comment Profile Imagemonica
Comment #25 | Friday, Jan 6, 2012 at 12:42 pm
Nobody wants religion shoved down their throat. If someone wants to be preached to, they can go to church.
Comment Profile Image@ pink
Comment #26 | Friday, Jan 6, 2012 at 12:50 pm
exactly my point, i don't go cause, i don't want to be around people like you. if i am gonna fellowship with anyone it's gonna be people that do not pretend to be something they are not. do you want a pat on the back? because, you read your bible, on a plane or in a restaurant lol look sit and read at the dmv, do what you, want too. just remember to be honest with yourself. that's all, i am saying. if you believe, pink. then you believe. not just, when it's convenient for you.
Comment Profile Imagesweeper1946
Comment #27 | Friday, Jan 6, 2012 at 1:02 pm
if they were reading the koran would christians and other religons get upset,you betcha!!!!!!!keep your religeous beliefs out of schools,state buildings,my front door of my home and my bedroom,thankyou.i believe in jesus christ but i don't need to force it down other peoples lives in order to get to heaven!!!!!GOD BLESS
Comment Profile ImageFallbrook81
Comment #28 | Friday, Jan 6, 2012 at 1:20 pm
I always carry my ipod in my pocket. I would have just put my music on and ignored them.
Comment Profile ImageFrosty
Comment #29 | Friday, Jan 6, 2012 at 1:42 pm
Wow, when I go to the DMV, all I ever get to here is people speaking extra loud spanish, girls talking to their moms or friends about nonsense on their cell phones or some guys cussing every third word telling their buds about how drunk they got or what girls they slept with. So reading passages from a book is now called preaching? That's new to me. As far as I know God gave us all free will, you can listen or not or turn your back and ridicule and applaud when your brother is arrested by the state, whatever you want to do. Nobody is forcing Christianity down your throat. " the beast forced all people small and great, rich and poor, slave and free to have a mark placed on them....no one could buy or sell without this mark..."
Comment Profile ImageSad state of affairs
Comment #30 | Friday, Jan 6, 2012 at 2:13 pm
2012 is starting out very badly for America. A new law that allows the government to indefinitely hold citizens without charges and now fellow Fallbrook people defending a cop for arresting somebody exercising their right to free speech on public property. Now I know what it must have felt like to be a Jew in Germany circa 1930s. I naively thought of Fallbrook as kinda of a island of sanity from the rest of nutty California and now I sadly find out the truth. Very sad. Please tell me that you people defending the arrest don't live in Fallbrook.
Comment Profile Imagemom of lots
Comment #31 | Friday, Jan 6, 2012 at 4:23 pm
I disagree completely with this man's arrest. Freedom first.
Comment Profile ImagePink
Comment #32 | Friday, Jan 6, 2012 at 5:37 pm
I totally agree with comments 23 and 24. Read the Bible, this has already been predicted as what will occur in the end times. I'm still not sure what on earth is the matter with @pink, either he/she is extremely young or is perhaps related to one of the defendants, whichever it is I hope you get your anger under control because it is clouding your thinking, you judge me falsely. I do not want or need a pat on the back for anything that I might do or have done to bring others to the Lord, that is between myself and God. Also I never said that the defendants should have been arrested I said they were arrested for refusing to disperse when asked by the police to leave not for reading the Bible, if they had been arrested just for reading the Bible I would of course be furious! I also said I disagree with the way in which they did it, and I still do, that is my right, but perhaps there is more to the story??
Comment Profile Imagepooh sticks
Comment #33 | Friday, Jan 6, 2012 at 5:48 pm
If this wasn't staged, then why was it being recorded?
Comment Profile ImageHey pooh
Comment #34 | Friday, Jan 6, 2012 at 11:31 pm
This is 2012! Everything is recorded! There were probably many other recordings of this one event that we may never see. If you think you are not on camera somewhere, think again. Down with the police state! Down with the duopoly! Get our rights back! Follow Paul!
Comment Profile ImageEDWARD TIGER
Comment #35 | Saturday, Jan 7, 2012 at 11:30 am
THE WORD OF GOD ALLMIGHTY ,,,,,THE BIBLE SAYS THE GOSPEL SHALL BE PREACHED TO ALL THE WORLD EVERY CORNER EVERY EVERYWHERE,,,THE WORD WILL NOT COME BACK VOID,,,,THRE BIBLE SAYS THAT AT THE NAME OF JESUS ,,EVERY KNEE WILL BOW AND EVERY TOUNGE WILL CONFESS THAT JESUS CHRIST IS LORD,,,,,THE WORD OF GOD SAYS IF YOU DENY ME I WILL DENY YOU
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Comment Profile ImageEDWARD TIGER
Comment #36 | Saturday, Jan 7, 2012 at 11:34 am
We are living in a time so dark ,,,that you can say or do just about anything in public bordering on lude and offensive and children can wear there pants down to there knees in school and lady gaga pitbull and mayor bloomberg can ring in the new year and thats ok,,,but they do not want to hear about JESUS or The Bible,,,,the Bible Says that this will be in thje last days
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Comment Profile ImageBELIEVER
Comment #37 | Saturday, Jan 7, 2012 at 12:29 pm
Remember The LORD Has SAID That if you are ashamed of me ,,MY NAME,,,,I will be ashamed of you,,,DO YOU KNOW HIS NAME?,,,,,And Yes there are better ways of Preaching THE GOSPEL It should not have to be forced on anybody,,,,,the problem with the world and America in these last days,,is that it is Hostile to Thw GOSPEL As the Bible has said it would be,,EPHESIANS 6:10,,ANND 6:12,,,,,This commentary site is a perfect example of this,,,Read comment #1,,,THE FOOL HAS SAID IN HIS HEART THERE IS NO GOD,,,PSALM 14:1
Comment Profile Image100% agree with PINK
Comment #38 | Saturday, Jan 7, 2012 at 1:54 pm
I am also a believer but I have never in all my years, known anyone to come to the Lord when the word of God had been forced upon them, albeit the TRUTH, it becomes "noise" to people who don't have their hearts and minds open. I've known many friends only to be pushed away by those who force their beliefs on them. I feel it is better to witness by example and only THEN will people seek to know Him. I think those at Calvary Hemet have their hearts in the right place but, sadly, in the end they are only leading people astray.
Comment Profile ImageAlmost resisted, but...
Comment #39 | Saturday, Jan 7, 2012 at 3:33 pm
Seriously, Sad state of affairs. You "know what it must have felt like to be a Jew in Germany circa 1930s?" That is the most ignorant statement out of all these comments. Ridiculous!
Comment Profile ImageFallbrook Resident
Comment #40 | Saturday, Jan 7, 2012 at 6:09 pm
These guys are as annoying as Hare Krishna types, as if the DMV experience isn't bad enough all on it's own.
Comment Profile ImagePink
Comment #41 | Saturday, Jan 7, 2012 at 8:29 pm
Re: Comment #39; Do you really believe that the Nazis just woke up one morning and started murdering Jews? No. They started out slowly, taking away their rights, one at a time, until suddenly it was too late to stop them. Many Germans didn't care for the Jews just as you may not care about Christians, so they turned a blind eye. Think it can't happen here? If so that is what is ignorant. I'm sure that the good and decent people of Germany didn't think so either.
Comment Profile ImageBonsallGayGuy
Comment #42 | Sunday, Jan 8, 2012 at 2:14 am
I happen to be an atheist but like most Americans I strongly believe in the rights of individuals to religious liberty. After reading a written account of this incident in another newspaper, I was seriously concerned that this man's civil rights might have been infringed upon. I was somehow conjuring up the vision of a man standing in line, reading aloud to himself from his Bible in a normal speaking voice. However, when I saw and heard the video of this man yelling, those concerns rapidly dissipated. I think it is not unreasonable to have a blanket prohibition on these sorts of activities at government offices. As long as the rules are applied equally to everybody (atheists, Christians, Muslims, Jews, political activists, people hawking merchandise etc) then I think its fair and reasonable.

I'm also left with the question whether the folks from Calvary Chapel are imputing a contention that religious speech somehow rises to a higher level of constitutional protection than say other forms of protected speech, such as political speech. If they are they are wrong. And if they aren't, I wonder how they would feel about some left-wing political activist shouting at them as they are forced to wait in line to conduct business with the State. I'll bet that they might resent having to undergo a forced political lecture as others might equally dislike being subject to forced proselytization.

Just food for thought....
Comment Profile ImageFallbrook Resident Since 86
Comment #43 | Monday, Jan 9, 2012 at 2:53 pm
Frankly it's the religious zealots and the ACLU that collectively have screwed up our society in the name of religious freedom. No one on this thread says that they can't believe whatever they want........it is just that they do not have the right to impose their religious beliefs on any individual who choses not to hear it and on public property. Those are my rights as it is theirs.

What if I took some sort of religious view on the DMV and started standing in front of their church.......they would have the same right to protest it as we do what they are doing.

Do you think the ACLU would support that as well.
Comment Profile ImageStop it already
Comment #44 | Wednesday, Jan 11, 2012 at 3:16 pm
It just got way worse to go to the DMV. I am a Christian and as a Christian I do not want someone reading the bible to me or trying to prostylize me when I am TRAPPED in line of the DMV. People, please keep your religious rhetoric to yourself. Don't be offened when you get arrested after you are asked to leave and do not. Anybody in the same situation would have been arrested. Also, please don't talk to me about your rights being infringed when you try to infringe rights of other people. If you want your 1st, 2nd, 5th, and 14th Amendment rights then you have to accept that illegals are protected, gay rights, abortion rights are also protected by the same amendments that you tought were infringed upon. Have you read the constitution? Give us all a break.
Kudos to the officer.
Comment Profile ImageThis is obnoxious!
Comment #45 | Saturday, Jan 14, 2012 at 10:29 pm
I am all in favor of people practicing their religion... but not when they are forcing me to listen to it. The comment that this was being done to a "captive" audience is right on. The reading was being yelled. Annoying. And the comment made to the security guard shows what this was all about... "Sir, I'm going to keep reading. You need to do what you're going to do." He wanted to be arrested so that he could bring his own suit. Advertising, setting up a table to talk to the willing, and holding services for people who wish to share them is great... yelling the tenets of a particular religion to an audience that can't really walk away is hideous. I can only imagine what would have happened if the people yelling the scripture were Muslim, Scientologists, or Mormon... the people posting the holier than thou comments on this thread would be singing a different tune. After all, this is the area that was up in arms just from the plans for a Mosque to be built so that people could worship their religion in private... 'Nuff said! Evangelicals... stop trying to "save" everyone... just practice your own religion on your own time, not everyone elses.
Comment Profile ImageGreat
Comment #46 | Monday, Jan 30, 2012 at 6:46 pm
Faith comes by hearing the Word of God!
Comment Profile ImageNot Great
Comment #47 | Friday, Feb 3, 2012 at 6:14 pm
Atheism comes from having this garbage barked at you against your will. Uninterested in your dated and make believe nonsense. Even less interested in having it forced on me against my will. Glad they arrested the christian nut job!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Comment Profile ImageLeila
Comment #48 | Sunday, Feb 12, 2012 at 9:52 pm
Far more people are turned off to religion by people like this than are brought to it. These people should realize that they are doing more harm than good by this type of behavior. And, frankly, Jesus would be ashamed of you acting like this. The same goes for people who do door to door cold calling religious visits. If someone feels that their religion has to be "sold" to others, it must not be very good. Don't come knocking on my door trying to sell me your religion. If you aren't already my friend, you haven't earned the right to come talk to me about what you believe. Being rude, and acting like a pushy salesman will definitely turn people away from God.
Comment Profile ImageLee Chew
Comment #49 | Friday, Feb 17, 2012 at 2:19 pm
I call it distrubing the peace and forcing me to listen to it. Good post #45
Comment Profile ImageLynn
Comment #50 | Thursday, Mar 29, 2012 at 6:20 pm
I'd like to know if Darren Meyer is a homosexual. It would explain quite a bit if he is.
Comment Profile ImageRay (the real one)
Comment #51 | Thursday, Mar 29, 2012 at 7:16 pm
UPDATE

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/christians-face-misdemeanor-charges-after-arrest-for-reading-bible-outside-of-dmv-last-year/
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Comment #52 | Thursday, Apr 5, 2012 at 10:31 pm
@50 I wonder how many times your posts were rejected before finally dropping the anti-gay epithets and going with the word "homosexual"? Riverside County is such a lovely place. Some of its residents like Lynn, much less so.
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Comment #53 | Monday, Apr 23, 2012 at 5:10 pm
I stopped going to Old Town/Front Street. They need to arrest the religious freak on the corner who plays his guitar for money & preaches non-stop! I'm religious,however, I don't want to hear this in a public place. If not arrest him, keep ticketing him for loitering then maybe he will go away. Every weekend I drive to the farmers market...if the white guy with blonde hair is there with his guitar...I leave. I miss going to dinner down there & shopping. The stores need to stand up
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Comment #54 | Thursday, Aug 9, 2012 at 9:35 am
The man shouldnt need a permit to preach, but he does need common sense as to where. DMV is hardly a place to disturb the patrons trying to pay their permits....so I guess he asked for it. I would have tolerated but ignored. I would have wondered why he was allowed to create a nuisance, especially at a gov property. He could have stood at the sidewalk and preached all he wanted. I know, he probably needed a permit there too??? Now days permits are needed for just about everything, so why is it so surprising ? Lets be thankful I dont need a permit to drink water, breath air, and defecate....Oh wait, I paid for permits relating to all that already .... God give us some relief!
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Comment #55 | Friday, Aug 24, 2012 at 8:04 am
I did forget to mention I watched the video after I commented above, I must say these men are not only quite manly and handsome, but I need to mention, they are true patriots except their message and cause is not something I am passionate about. Hey guys just want to say, if you werent men of religion, you certainly would be considered Mavericks of society. I hope all goes well for you.
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Comment #56 | Tuesday, Oct 23, 2012 at 12:15 pm
Now, you readers might wonder why is it that in this country, USA, morality is going down hill. Students can get a machine gun and take it to school and kill more students. Those being kill might just be your only child. What do you say about that? Parents need Jesus so that He can change the hearts of men, and men will change the hearts of their children by the example parents perform for the sake of their families. You leave God out of your families and i will show you the kind of a country we will have. When a killing breaks out at you local school don't be saying, "but why?", because i will say, "Why not?" the only Beaing that can put things together into place, will leave you to do your own will if you wish. Most defenitelly, The Creator of heaven and earth is leaving this country to the mercy of the evil ones. Now, what this messengers where doing was showing you the Truth, the Way, and the Life... this is Jesus. if you get HIM (Jesus) into your hearts and into your homes, He will care for you and your family, in this life and the one to come.... Thaks
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Comment #57 | Friday, Dec 21, 2012 at 12:09 pm
Dear "the voice of a man"
Gun control is an old method used to control the populations ability to defend itself, but then again, knowledge, skill, and ability would also be counted in. We are a society of dumb-down people. Religion or not we are at war. It's one we cannot see, hear, nor truly defend from. I am not against religion, but I do think the issues we all seem to focus on are rather mundane for sure.
A psycho guns down two dozen adults and children. We all speculate. I really feel for the parents of those young children. National Guard, imposed religion, or taking everyone's guns won't prevent anything, but it will however take us further into abyss.
I am presently attending a church, and it taxes me, for I appreciate my fellow church goers, but blind faith is hard to re-acquire.

SO when these mavericks preach in front of unwilling participants they impose a certain truth or reality not shared, that is the problem. Rules are specific, and we have no choice but to follow them. Private property, sidewalk, government land (which is the land of the people, or is it?) it is all the same.

You cannot rush into an airport, courtroom, or "other" with a gun in your possession; that is the rule. You cannot chant, praise God, or tell others what they are doing wrong, or how they need to live their life...in certain "physical" places.

If the law says you had the right to be wherever you were standing at the time of your arrest, then you should be defended accordingly.
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Comment #58 | Sunday, Dec 23, 2012 at 8:16 pm
One more thought,

Public Servants are deemed "protected" by civil lawsuits, but wouldn't it only be if that person acted and followed the law code book to a "T" I mean if a police officer doesnt follow protocol wouldn't he be liable personally and outside protection if he failed to properly dispense a legal arrest as prescribed by the law?

what if a school teacher mentally abuses a child in class, and there are witnesses....she is basically protected, but if proven outside her "expected" duties and proper decisions, then she can be denounced as liable for working outside the guidelines.

We dont live in a perfect, just society. Not at all.

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