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Board supports Supervisor Stone’s modified plan for officials to meet in regards to seceding from state


Tuesday, July 12th, 2011
Issue 28, Volume 15.


RIVERSIDE – The Riverside County Board of Supervisors endorsed Supervisor Jeff Stone’s plan to bring together city and county officials from across California to discuss state budget issues and governance problems that hurt local government services and business development.

Almost two weeks ago, Supervisor Jeff Stone suggested a plan to gather officials from at least 13 counties and discuss seceding from California to create a 51st state, the State of South California.

On Tuesday, Stone modified his proposal to the Board of Supervisors. The supervisor said he envisioned a summit in September or October where city and county officials could discuss issues such as convening a constitutional convention to address state budget problems and cutting seats in the state Legislature from full-time to part-time status. Stone told Board members he wanted to leave secession on the agenda for the proposed meeting as a topic that could be broached if other solutions do not emerge.

Board members acknowledged Stone’s frustration with state budget decisions and other actions that have continuing detrimental effects on communities in Riverside County and other areas of the state. Board members voted 4-0 with the requirement that no Riverside County staff or funds be used as part of Stone’s effort to hold a meeting for city and county officials statewide.

Almost two weeks ago, Stone suggested that about a dozen counties – from San Diego to Mono – be asked to consider the split to establish a new state with a balanced budget, secure borders, effective schools and a vibrant economy. In proposing the new state, Stone criticized California’s legislature and governor for approving a budget that financially endangers four new cities in Riverside County and tries to solve the state’s budget mess by taking funds from all local governments.

Stone suggested the counties of Riverside, Imperial, San Diego, Orange, San Bernardino, Kings, Kern, Fresno, Tulare, Inyo, Madera, Mariposa and Mono be asked to consider forming the State of South California. Boards of supervisors and city councils within those counties would be invited to meet and discuss the feasibility of secession from California. Stone suggested that a new state might do away with term limits, actually enforce the state’s borders, and adopt reasonable sales taxes and a provision like Proposition 13 that would control property taxes. Counties and cities interested in the proposal, including those Stone has not already identified, would be invited to sit down and discuss the proposal.


Riverside Supervisor Jeff Stone to detail cessation plan

RIVERSIDE - Riverside County Supervisor Jeff Stone today will detail his reasons for wanting the county and a dozen neighboring counties to break away and form the new state of South California.

Stone filed a five-page memorandum on the Board of Supervisors' agenda for consideration, enumerating what actions he says should be taken to create America's 51st state.

The supervisor prefaced his de-annexation "action plan" Advertisement
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with a description of things that have, in his opinion, been going wrong in California and pushing the state closer to financial ruin.

Stone cited a survey showing that California is ranked dead last in business-friendliness nationally, and he named a number of companies that he said have moved operations outside the state to escape high taxation and regulation, including Fluor Corp., Intuit, Nissan North America and USAA Insurance.

"As a result of these thousands of jobs leaving our state, those citizens waiting for this economic cycle to turn are in for a very big disappointment," the supervisor wrote. "It has been estimated that many businesses can relocate to Texas and expect to save 20 to 40 percent! What will remain here is a 'welfare state."'

Stone, a pharmacist who owns several businesses, said "duplicative" state and federal environmental regulations and high personal and corporate income taxes drive away entrepreneurs.

He maintains that the state's unfunded public pension liabilities -- which a Stanford University study last year estimated as high as $500 billion -- are unsustainable and will only worsen as lawmakers and the governor cater to union interests.

According to Stone, state taxpayers are footing the bill for medical and welfare services for illegal immigrants and subsidizing their college tuition while legal residents pay their own way.

The supervisor described California as "too big to govern," a laggard in K-12 education, with one-third of the nation's welfare recipients and only 12 percent of its population. He decried the state's raids on funds designated for infrastructure improvements and local programs -- without resolving multi- year budget shortfalls.

"It is time to take corrective and decisive action," he said.

Under the supervisor's proposal, Riverside, Fresno, Imperial, Inyo, Kern, Kings, Madera, Mariposa, Mono, Orange, San Bernardino, San Diego and Tulare counties would form a new state.

Stone envisions a part-time legislature, with lawmakers meeting for three months every two years -- like Texas -- and earning $600 per month instead of $400 per day. He said South California's constitution should include a balanced budget provision and property tax protections, akin to those guaranteed under Proposition 13.

There would be no subsidies for illegal immigrants, no legislative term limits, and an emphasis on automating many government functions.

Reactions to the proposals have been mixed.

Gov. Jerry Brown's press secretary, Gil Duran, told City News Service that Stone was engaging in a "monumental waste of taxpayer dollars. ...It's clearly a joke."

But Assemblyman Brian Nestande, R-Palm Desert, found merit in some of Stone's ideas. "We've got a state now that is literally unmanageable," he said.

Stone is seeking the board's approval for the Executive Office to call a conference at the Riverside Convention Center and invite representatives from all of the counties and cities proposed in the new state to debate the issue and its ramifications.


 

41 comments

Comment Profile ImageRobin
Comment #1 | Tuesday, Jul 12, 2011 at 9:06 am
I support the supervisor!!! We need to get rid of Sacramento and L.A.
Comment Profile ImageAmericanMike
Comment #2 | Tuesday, Jul 12, 2011 at 10:18 am
The only joke is Jerry Brown's press secretary for being such deep denial. I think everyone should have a choice then have to live with it.
Comment Profile Imagecathy
Comment #3 | Tuesday, Jul 12, 2011 at 10:33 am
I think he is nuts.
Comment Profile ImageFallbrook Resident Since 86
Comment #4 | Tuesday, Jul 12, 2011 at 10:37 am
The idea has merit but I think in the end we're just going to create another bureacracy that would be as ineffective as the present one. I'd rather fix what we've got than create another mess.

We're already a 3rd world socialist country.
Comment Profile ImageMike Johnson
Comment #5 | Tuesday, Jul 12, 2011 at 11:00 am
Jeff Stone is right, and it is very telling that Gov. Brown thinks that this is a joke as he is about to go down as the Gov in Charge that Clearly is Not Listening to the Issues that have been a Concern for us down here in So. Cal. and will Ultimately be the Cause of this Separation. So. Cal has been YELLING about the School system for well over 10 years now and the Democrat's and Democratic Process is failing to listen to our voices!
Comment Profile ImageAnaheimCity1
Comment #6 | Tuesday, Jul 12, 2011 at 11:17 am
I think this is crazy, how easy it to just ignore a problem and start something afresh grow some ba*** and fix whats wrong.

By Dividing the State into two it would mean less power in congress and would give Texas a substantial edge. As a Californian I say to heck with spliting the state, I say I want our old territories back like Arizona,Colorado and Nevada Back and leave the Union and from our own country!!!! THE BEAR REPUBLIC !!
Comment Profile ImageRoy T Tatar
Comment #7 | Tuesday, Jul 12, 2011 at 11:49 am
A better idea would be for Stone to resign & take his several businesses, out of state, with him. This would save CA tax payer dollars from being wasted on a salary & pension for a county supervisor with ridiculous ideas that have zero chance of being implemented. This is all we get from GOP politicians: Fear, lies, & tax cuts for the rich. It is also why the Republicans do not hold a single major office & are a pathetic minority in California.
To all businesses & people that want to leave California; please do. Enjoy living in a state like TX, OH, WI, MI, FL, or Utah.
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Comment Profile ImageRoy T Tatar
Comment #8 | Tuesday, Jul 12, 2011 at 11:50 am
To all businesses & people that want to leave California; please do. Enjoy living in a state like TX, OH, WI, MI, FL, or Utah.
Comment Profile Imagelol
Comment #9 | Tuesday, Jul 12, 2011 at 1:41 pm
Call it, Northern Mexico!
Comment Profile ImageM. Plesset
Comment #10 | Tuesday, Jul 12, 2011 at 1:42 pm
It's an excellent idea, it's modeled after Texas' state government, and Texas is thriving economically with much lower taxes than California. It's due to a legislature that consists of people with real jobs and businesses who take part time to serve, not career political hacks.
Comment Profile ImageMe
Comment #11 | Tuesday, Jul 12, 2011 at 1:47 pm
Right Roy, and when the businesses take what's left of the jobs with them, we'll see how you feel.
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Comment Profile ImageMe
Comment #12 | Tuesday, Jul 12, 2011 at 1:49 pm
Roy says:

"It is also why the Republicans do not hold a single major office & are a pathetic minority in California."


Look around Roy...the state is in the toilet.....but thanks for making it so clear as to why.
Comment Profile Imagenancysongwriter
Comment #13 | Tuesday, Jul 12, 2011 at 6:48 pm
YES YES YES
Comment Profile Imagelocal
Comment #14 | Tuesday, Jul 12, 2011 at 8:13 pm
I think it does make a lot of sense and would end some amount of strife.
Comment Profile ImageFBK4LIFE
Comment #15 | Wednesday, Jul 13, 2011 at 8:09 am
Roy says: "To all businesses & people that want to leave California; please do."

This is your idea of how to fix our state's financial woes? The Dems may be in control, but more votes doesn't translate into more brains...
Comment Profile ImageESL MAN
Comment #16 | Wednesday, Jul 13, 2011 at 9:35 am
I support Stone's plan.
Comment Profile ImageLake Elsinore Resident
Comment #17 | Wednesday, Jul 13, 2011 at 11:46 am
Ever wonder why the people in Sacramento don't even consider what Riverside County brings with it's State Assembly people and Supevisors. It's things like this and none of our politicans seem to have any respect in Sacramento or support. Next time you vote don't vote for anyone from Temecula, Lake Elsinore, French Valley or Lakeland Village for Supervisor or State Assembly or any office in politics.
Comment Profile ImageCATHY
Comment #18 | Wednesday, Jul 13, 2011 at 1:17 pm
I SAW FROM THE MAP THAT STONE WANT ALL THE COUNTIES THAT EMPLOYEE A LARGE AMOUNT OF FARM WORKERS, WHICH ARE LARGER ILLEGALS. THEY DON'T PAY TAXES AND MOST TAKE THEIR MONEY BACK TO MEXICO. THAT SHOULD REALLY HELP OUR ECONOMY. HE PROBABLY THOUGHT ARNOLD DID A GREAT JOB.
Comment Profile ImageLJ
Comment #19 | Wednesday, Jul 13, 2011 at 2:21 pm
I agree with Stone; Why? Because CA is in a horrendous mess, and that mean big trouble for us! Close to being bankrupt, up to our eye balls in debt, unemployment is at its hightest in 70 years, anti-business atomphere, are education is hurting, utilities and gas prices are increasing, Sacranebti answer - more taxes Just maybe with half the problems and with new lawmakers they might be able to fix it! The way we do it now isnt working.
Comment Profile ImageXmyBoots
Comment #20 | Wednesday, Jul 13, 2011 at 3:18 pm
Mr. Stone I support your proposal but you have to wrong dividing line. It should be divided from the coast line between San Francisco and Santa Rosa east to the top of the coast Range and follow that down to the Grapevine and then turn east to the Arizona border. I don't want San Francisco or LA. We'll keep Sacramento but you have to take Jerry Brown and all the Senators and Assemblyman that represent your areas respectively. Northern Ca. and the San Joaquin Valley will survive without you. Good Luck to ya.
Comment Profile ImageV
Comment #21 | Thursday, Jul 14, 2011 at 1:37 pm
Foolish
Comment Profile Imageto Stupervisor Stone
Comment #22 | Thursday, Jul 14, 2011 at 2:14 pm
Why did you not include Los Angeles with your blessed Scientology Headquarters in your proposed state? With all their $$ and support you could be the new governor.

I will never forgive Stone for trying to craft a law that would make it illegal for anti-Scientology protesters to stand on PUBLIC property and hold a sign denouncing this cult! Thank goodness the other members of the Riverside County Board of Supervisors actually respect and uphold the right of free speech (unlike Stone!)
Comment Profile Imagenancysongwriter
Comment #23 | Thursday, Jul 14, 2011 at 3:41 pm
ASAP
Comment Profile ImageTom
Comment #24 | Thursday, Jul 14, 2011 at 5:06 pm
This is a great idea! Sign me up. Sometimes starting from the ground up and starting over is necessary. In this case California, once the "Golden State" is now tarnished with overspending and waste that will not be reformed in ANY substantial way that will curb governmental excess in all forms. I will do everything in my power to make sure this stays in the forefront and the movement continues. The current budget is rife with waste and inefficiency (you don't need an accounting degree to see that). Most of our representatives do not have the courage necessary to stand up for what is right and honest. The various Unions and special interests are far too involved and are abusing thier power. There are too many areas that need to be cleaned up for California to come out of this unscathed. The state isn't even business friendly anymore, so businesses large and small are moving out of state and taking the employment base with them. Taxes, for this reason and many others, will continue to rise IF waste is not put under control.
Comment Profile ImageMark Wood
Comment #25 | Thursday, Jul 14, 2011 at 9:28 pm
I'm a small business owner in S. California. I have lived here my whole life but i'm getting ready to move my family and business out of California. Its sad to think my lifes work could be ruined by silly rules and regulations.
Mr. Stone has a great idea and I pray the people of S. California will give him the support he needs.
If we can create a 51st state I would stay and grow my company and create many many great jobs !

Thank you,
Mark Wood
airmark101.com
Comment Profile ImagePink
Comment #26 | Friday, Jul 15, 2011 at 8:49 am
While I do not particularly like Supervisor Stone and tend to doubt that his plan will ever be adopted I DO understand the reasoning behind it! Our state has been trashed by the politicians in charge for years!! Businesses are leaving California like the Okies left the dust bowl in the 30s!! (Roy if you think this is a good idea you must be on the dole) most people who are unemployed would love to be able to go back to work!! If all the businesses leave who the heck do you think will employ them? We are fast becoming a welfare state and the people who are the first in line for a handout aren't even here legally. Our educational system is broken beyond repair, our fancy macmansions are under water mortgage wise and law enforcement is a joke. People, like my parents, came to California in the 40s and 50s for a better life, now my grown children are taking their families and leaving California so they can have a better life!! The State is broke people and so is the system, I don't think Stone's plan is the answer but we better do something and we had better do it fast, and if you think Governor Moonbeam is going to fix it you have your collective heads up your collective.... well you get my drift.
Comment Profile ImageJoe
Comment #27 | Friday, Jul 15, 2011 at 10:56 am
It can't happen soon enough for Me,I want out of jerry browns,boxer & pelosis world!
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Comment Profile Imagenot happy
Comment #28 | Friday, Jul 15, 2011 at 11:00 am
I also had a business in Ca.I will never have another one,the work comp. is corrupt along with the attorneys and judges they almost broke Me.
Comment Profile ImageNot happy either NS
Comment #29 | Friday, Jul 15, 2011 at 1:47 pm
I also had a business I could not afford workmens comp so I went belly up. How sad you can not afford a business here in S CA with taxes, workmens comp ect, I was paying out more then I was taken in I could bearly pay my workers I also used my mortgage to pay employees.I almost lost my house, so I said to heck with it and walked away from it Don't start a business unless you have millions to back you up.
Comment Profile ImageRoy T Tatar
Comment #30 | Friday, Jul 15, 2011 at 10:17 pm
Look around Roy...the state is in the toilet.....but thanks for making it so clear as to why. says: "Me"

"Me" is afraid to use it's name.

The state is in the toilet because of a B-movie buffoon R governor & his gop flunkies. Flunkies that protect their rich corporate masters & obstruct any revenue increases to solve the budget deficits & fund programs most people in the state find value. Fear, lies, & tax cuts for the rich are all the Rs know.
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Comment Profile ImageRoy T Tatar
Comment #31 | Friday, Jul 15, 2011 at 10:26 pm
Response to Pink

(Roy if you think this is a good idea you must be on the dole)

I must be on the dole. Typical R stereotype. If one speaks the truth, they must be on the dole or black or illegal. Please leave the state & go to where you will be right at home like Texas or Ohio or Utah or Wisconsin.
Comment Profile ImagePink
Comment #32 | Saturday, Jul 16, 2011 at 10:17 am
Wow, I hit a nerve! Guess old Roy is on the dole. Anyone who believes that businesses leaving California is a good thing cannot be the brightest bulb on the tree. We weren't any better off under the governator then we are under Moonbeam, our state has been heading for the tank for years! We haven't had a decent governor since Reagan. Come to think of it we haven't had a decent president since Reagan. The state of California is broke Roy and you can't do anything but call people names and make silly statements.
Comment Profile ImagePessimistic
Comment #33 | Saturday, Jul 16, 2011 at 2:31 pm
The concept is great, as long as the new State didn't turn into just another of what we already have. But alas, we know it will never come to fruition. Roy is but a fool spouting foolishness. Is there some truth to Arnie having been part of the problem? You bet, but it goes much deeper and further back than just him. By all accounts Roy is just one of the millions of leftist thinking people in this state, thus it can never straighten itself out. Which is why I pray I can convince my wife that we move the hell out of here once I retire. And at this point in time, for sanity's sake, a better quality of life and the potential to live better off financially as my years come to a close those states he sarcastically notes (TX, OH, WI, MI, FL, or Utah) would be much better.
Comment Profile ImageRoy T Tatar
Comment #34 | Saturday, Jul 16, 2011 at 3:53 pm
If a business cannot succeed in the most populous state, it must be a poorly run business. Good riddance to unfit employers. The only nerve you struck is your unshocking confession to drinking the Reagan (is god) Kool-Aid. He was the original B-Movie buffoon govenor. He ruined what Governor Brown's father put into place. Move to Texas where you will be right at home, singing hymns with the Cracker Perry.
Comment Profile ImagePink
Comment #35 | Saturday, Jul 16, 2011 at 10:53 pm
Obviously Roy needs to have a lesson in Economics 101. The businesses aren't leaving because they are bad employers they are leaving because they are being driven away by the high cost of doing business in this state! Why the heck would they stay here when they can go to one of the aforementioned states and make a profit (yes Roy, profit, that is why most businesses are in business to make a profit) what you to not seem to understand is that if the businesses leave they won't be paying the taxes that California seriously needs to survive!! They are being driven out of California by clueless and greedy politicians who do not seem to have the brains that God gave a goose! Here is a real eye opener for you Roy. Without the revenue those businesses create the state will go broke! Even more broke than it already is. How do you think the state will try and make up that revenue Roy? Higher taxes for you and me, that's how. There isn't a bottomless pit of money that the state can tap into to keep that dole check coming you know. Oh and by the way, Moonbeams daddy... bigger dummy than Moonbeam.
Comment Profile ImageBonsallGayGuy
Comment #36 | Sunday, Jul 17, 2011 at 11:56 pm
regarding comment #35- While I certainly disagree with Ms.Pink on certain issues (religion comes foremost to mind), I do think she has succinctly summed up one of the major problems facing our state. The regulatory and tax environment that businesses face in California is indeed onerous. And in today's world where business activity has become highly portable over state and even national borders, only a complete fool or a masochist would content him or herself to stay when much greener entrepreneurial pastures lie elsewhere. Unfortunately, in large part, California is seeing a major exodus of middle class jobs along with our middle classes. The only real job creation seems to consist of either poorly paid service sector jobs that for logistical reasons must still remain here and/or an ever growing governmental bureaucracy dedicated to serving an expanding, poorly educated and increasingly imported foreign under class. This is not a viable long term model and we are now seeing the results play out.

Our politicians in Sacramento must come to grips with the cold hard fact that there are not enough rich people to successfully parasitize and that cultivating economic growth along with an increasing tax base and rational (not confiscatory) tax policies must be a priority. Additionally our federal politicians must recognize that the period of turning a blind eye to massive and uncontrolled illegal immigration must come to an end. California's politicians in particular should demand that the federal government assume its rightful role in border enforcement. This should be especially apparent during a period of anemic job growth, record high unemployment coupled with this state's woeful financial condition and resulting inability to continue to play caretaker to our state's poorest residents.
Comment Profile ImageBottom Line
Comment #37 | Tuesday, Jul 19, 2011 at 1:46 am
Roy. Typically in sports we say "scoreboard." Texas = Thriving. California = Feable
Comment Profile ImageRoy
Comment #38 | Monday, Jul 25, 2011 at 11:41 am
Bottom line: Scoreboard is punishment if one must 'thrive' by living in Texas.
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Comment Profile ImageRoy
Comment #39 | Monday, Jul 25, 2011 at 11:53 am
Pink - Move to Texas: "more tax cuts for the rich, more unfunded, unwinnable, wars of choice, more bibles in bedrooms&more guns at colleges."
And as far as Ronnie goes, all he did, after beginning the ruin of CA&then leaving for D.C., was raise taxes, give amnesty to 6M+ illegal immigrants, allow 230+ Marines to be slaughtered, traded arms for hostages,&misstook Nancy for Bonzo at Bedtime.
Econ 101, poor products&services = failed businesses. If they were successful they would be happy to pay their fair share of taxes for the priviledge of being in CA.
Comment Profile ImageVic
Comment #40 | Thursday, Aug 9, 2012 at 10:46 am
Scary but if well planned, could give us a few more opportunities vs having one local government after another declare bankruptcy and leave its citizens hanging.

Unfortunately as creatures of habit and with many years of being told how to live our lives, i cant see us as triumph orphans for some reasons.

We have the best climate and best resource base at our disposal, but tyranny and self interest usually rules the day.

I suppose CA has gone past its complicated stage to critical.... but you have to wonder how we got here from a surplus a few back..... long term planning probably and wasnt in our (common citizen) favor.

I am for Secession - we need it on the seer fact the intricacy of the system is failing practicality.

As long as that doesnt mean a tighter rope around our necks. I'd like to see the welfare state slowly disappear and instead reward the working force with much needed support ...like child care, and some elderly subsistence....

We cannot support education, medical, and other services eating us alive unless we can manage our system better.

Southern California has these huge problems and usually the people paying for it are those that can be held accountable (or hostage) but a multitude of others reap social benefits .... so we stay a welfare state
Comment Profile ImageMay B Wright
Comment #41 | Friday, Jan 17, 2014 at 11:09 pm
Stone is a clown, He should become king of Hemet and rule over all the lowlife that he has dumped here and drive on these so-called roads outside of the city limits.....SSA

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